Talk:CATAUT

DavidAcland 11:14, 13 August 2008 (CEST)

I think we should add "...at international boundaries" at the end of 2.

Any thoughts?

jens 11:39, 13 August 2008 (CEST)

Why not? It is not wrong and specified what we like to say. What is going on with enclaves like Hong Kong; although they are a part of China do they have different custom regs? I am not familiar enough with this area of the world. If my query gets a positive answer we should remain the entry unchanged. Otherwise I would follow David's proposal.

DavidAcland 17:05, 13 August 2008 (CEST)

OK. I think we see it the same way ... but it is not the regulation so much as where the control happens. Without the clarification, it sounds a bit like the role of the police, i.e. all over the country. I will add the clarification and agree.

DavidAcland 14:53, 25 February 2011 (UTC) I have been aware for some time of the similarity of ideas in CATAUT and CATRXN. Both are likely to be attributes of the Quartet. The names of these two attributes are as follows:

CATAUT Category of authority
CATRXN Category of regulation / restriction / recommendation / nautical information

I have reordered CATAUT to group similar ideas together and added the identical or similar enumerations of CATRXN below each. CATAUT has a few values which do not have equivalents in CATRXN. CATRNX only has two values without something similar in CATAUT: "safety" and "communication".

CATAUT 14 : finance

CATAUT 1 : customs
CATRXN 6 : customs

CATAUT 5 : immigration

CATAUT 2 : border control

CATAUT 6 : health
CATRXN 9 : health

CATAUT 7 : coast guard
CATRXN 8 : safety (In some countries. In others, coastguard also has security and enforcement roles)

CATAUT 15 : maritime
CATRXN 1 : navigation

CATAUT 8 : agricultural
CATAUT 13 : fishery
CATRXN 10 : natural resources or exploitations

CATAUT 12 : environmental
CATRXN 3 : environmental protection
CATRXN 4 : wildlife protection

CATAUT 9 : military

CATAUT 3 : police

CATAUT 11 : maritime police
CATRXN 5 : security

CATAUT 4 : port
CATRXN 7 : cargo operation

CATAUT 10 : private company

CATRXN 2 : communication

However looking down the list of CATAUT, it does seem to me that most of those Authorities almost certainly have regulations which do have an impact on vessels. I think that the case to combine CATAUT and CATRXN is fairly strong. The new name would be something like "Category of authority / regulation / restriction / recommendation / nautical information". The question is: Can we make a sensible enough list that would satisfy the multiple uses?

jens 13:07, 28 February 2011 (UTC) Do you know the song text "...all we can do is sit and wait"? That's what I thought years ago when the need for CATRXN was formulated and my "no" was rejected. They can't live in two different categories which should be used together. Thanks for providing the evidence that I was right.
It is to discuss whether CATREL and CATAUT can be used to model information sufficient. We can say that e.g. the CATAUT (agricultural) is providing information stored at REGLTS to say that something is CATREL (prohibited). Interesting will be the construction if something stored at RCMDTS is CATREL (recommended).

DavidAcland 14:50, 28 February 2011 (UTC) OK; I will see what I can do.
I can see a few of those: Anchorage CATREL (recommended) (until berth is available) or (until 2 hours before HW); or perhaps (Remain at waiting berth until lock is available). This makes me think we may need an ACTION like "Moor temporarily", "Tie up" or "Wait". However I feel sure we will also need to use TXTDSC for the detail.

jens 17:14, 28 February 2011 (UTC)That's for sure. The content/details will be stored in TXTDSC. I'm still the opinion that we need such top level features/attributes to e.g. make search possible, to be able to provide customized information and to not spoil the mariner with useless text. That is the only purpose of the quartet and everything in their society.

raphael 18:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC): To me this discussion looks like a reason for reviving some variation of the original categories (CATRXN Original).