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we need to add a general term for offshore vessels/platforms/jack-ups/ or whatever has to do with rigs, wind farms, tidal current etc. | we need to add a general term for offshore vessels/platforms/jack-ups/ or whatever has to do with rigs, wind farms, tidal current etc. | ||
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+ | [[User:DavidAcland|DavidAcland]] 11:53, 8 May 2012 (UTC) | ||
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+ | I have added a definiton, semi-submersible and jackup. | ||
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+ | I have not addressed the tidal current installation itself. These are currently charted as Turbine with a depth. | ||
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+ | [[User:Jens|jens]] 05:27, 9 May 2012 (UTC) I agree. Turbines are a different story. My intention was to cover service vessels of those installations. I assume that is covered sufficiently with jackup and semi-submersible. | ||
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+ | [[User:Rmm|raphael]] 21:42, 2 June 2014 (UTC): The work items plan for MPA product spec after SNPWG 17 discussed making this a codelist (presumably an open enumeration), the page needs to be updated accordingly. | ||
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+ | [[User:Rmm|raphael]] ([[User talk:Rmm|talk]]) 01:25, 7 February 2017 (CET): I continued the discussion on the [[CATVSL]] page before noticing this page. Anyway the discussion from [[Talk:CATVSL]] is copied below for reference. | ||
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+ | [[User:Rmm|raphael]] ([[User talk:Rmm|talk]]) 08:25, 19 January 2017 (CET): New proposed listed values. (I see Jens had proposed recreation craft in 2011...) | ||
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+ | 13: light recreational | ||
+ | <br>a pleasure boat or watercraft, or an excursion vessel used for short cruises such as whale watching | ||
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+ | 14: heavy lift | ||
+ | <br>a vessel designed to move very large loads that cannot be handled by normal ships | ||
+ | <br>(Wikipedia). See also [[Talk:CATCGO|CATCGO discussion]]. | ||
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+ | [[User:Jens|jens]] ([[User talk:Jens|talk]]) 07:20, 23 January 2017 (CET) I agree with recreational but have use case problems with heavy lift. So. recreational added to the list | ||
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+ | [[User:Rmm|raphael]] ([[User talk:Rmm|talk]]) 18:31, 23 January 2017 (CET): OK. Awaiting input on a use case for 'heavy lift' from other NIPWG members. | ||
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+ | [[User:Rmm|raphael]] ([[User talk:Rmm|talk]]) 20:06, 1 February 2017 (CET): This was changed from enumeration to an open enumeration codelist in 2014 (see the S-122 figure 'Defining Vessel Categories...' on the [[SNPWG2|UML diagrams]] page. | ||
+ | * The main page still says 'enumeration', it should be updated. | ||
+ | * Since it is an open enumeration codelist, other vessel types can be indicated using the 'other: xyz' formulation. | ||
+ | * Use of the 'other: xyz' formulation is supposed to be '''by agreement'''. It is not carte blanche for individual encoders or data producers to add anything they want. While a suitable process has not yet been defined, my own view is any such 'extra' value must be brought before the S-122 project team and/or NIPWG (though not necessarily approved by them), and have the support of at least three stakeholders (producers or OEMs) before it can be used. | ||
+ | * If a particular 'other: xyz' type becomes widely used, consideration should be given to making it a listed value via the process for revising the product specification. | ||
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+ | I also suggest adding 'sport fishing' to the definition of 'light recreational' on the theory that this is one subcategory to which protected area rules are important. | ||
+ | <br/>(Eivind says sport fishing might require its own category, likely there will be significantly different regulations applying to sport fishing over a pleasure boat. Tentatively not broken out separately, pending further comments from others.) | ||
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+ | Proposed revised definition of 'light recreational': a pleasure boat or watercraft, sport fishing boat, or an excursion vessel used for short cruises such as whale watching | ||
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+ | [[User:Rmm|raphael]] ([[User talk:Rmm|talk]]) 23:55, 3 February 2017 (CET): Proposed definition for the attribute: Classification of vessels by function or use. | ||
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+ | [[User:Rmm|raphael]] ([[User talk:Rmm|talk]]) 01:25, 7 February 2017 (CET): I notice that we added two new listed values to [[CATVSL_2]] for ''semi-submersible offshore installation'' and ''jackup exploration or project installation''. ''light recreational'' should be added to this list. |
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we need to add a general term for offshore vessels/platforms/jack-ups/ or whatever has to do with rigs, wind farms, tidal current etc.
DavidAcland 11:53, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
I have added a definiton, semi-submersible and jackup.
I have not addressed the tidal current installation itself. These are currently charted as Turbine with a depth.
jens 05:27, 9 May 2012 (UTC) I agree. Turbines are a different story. My intention was to cover service vessels of those installations. I assume that is covered sufficiently with jackup and semi-submersible.
raphael 21:42, 2 June 2014 (UTC): The work items plan for MPA product spec after SNPWG 17 discussed making this a codelist (presumably an open enumeration), the page needs to be updated accordingly.
raphael (talk) 01:25, 7 February 2017 (CET): I continued the discussion on the CATVSL page before noticing this page. Anyway the discussion from Talk:CATVSL is copied below for reference.
raphael (talk) 08:25, 19 January 2017 (CET): New proposed listed values. (I see Jens had proposed recreation craft in 2011...)
13: light recreational
a pleasure boat or watercraft, or an excursion vessel used for short cruises such as whale watching
14: heavy lift
a vessel designed to move very large loads that cannot be handled by normal ships
(Wikipedia). See also CATCGO discussion.
jens (talk) 07:20, 23 January 2017 (CET) I agree with recreational but have use case problems with heavy lift. So. recreational added to the list
raphael (talk) 18:31, 23 January 2017 (CET): OK. Awaiting input on a use case for 'heavy lift' from other NIPWG members.
raphael (talk) 20:06, 1 February 2017 (CET): This was changed from enumeration to an open enumeration codelist in 2014 (see the S-122 figure 'Defining Vessel Categories...' on the UML diagrams page.
- The main page still says 'enumeration', it should be updated.
- Since it is an open enumeration codelist, other vessel types can be indicated using the 'other: xyz' formulation.
- Use of the 'other: xyz' formulation is supposed to be by agreement. It is not carte blanche for individual encoders or data producers to add anything they want. While a suitable process has not yet been defined, my own view is any such 'extra' value must be brought before the S-122 project team and/or NIPWG (though not necessarily approved by them), and have the support of at least three stakeholders (producers or OEMs) before it can be used.
- If a particular 'other: xyz' type becomes widely used, consideration should be given to making it a listed value via the process for revising the product specification.
I also suggest adding 'sport fishing' to the definition of 'light recreational' on the theory that this is one subcategory to which protected area rules are important.
(Eivind says sport fishing might require its own category, likely there will be significantly different regulations applying to sport fishing over a pleasure boat. Tentatively not broken out separately, pending further comments from others.)
Proposed revised definition of 'light recreational': a pleasure boat or watercraft, sport fishing boat, or an excursion vessel used for short cruises such as whale watching
raphael (talk) 23:55, 3 February 2017 (CET): Proposed definition for the attribute: Classification of vessels by function or use.
raphael (talk) 01:25, 7 February 2017 (CET): I notice that we added two new listed values to CATVSL_2 for semi-submersible offshore installation and jackup exploration or project installation. light recreational should be added to this list.