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		<title>Jens at 06:40, 6 January 2009</title>
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[User:Jens|jens]] 15:57, 21 December 2008 (CET)&lt;br /&gt;
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we should consider whether it makes more sense to place such information at [[reglts]]. I am not convinced that penalties as a singe attribute is useful. Penalties are defined by law and law defines regulations. &lt;br /&gt;
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Also trying to generalize to a common attribute which is working with penalties makes no sense; see arguments above.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Cwinn72|Cwinn72]] 14:25, 30 December 2008 (CET)&lt;br /&gt;
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I certainly agree that penalties cannot be standardized, providing a specific text attribute for a member state to encode penalty information does make sense. A mariner, although bound by the regulation, is primarily concerned about what fines he or she is subject to. I have no problem with using reglts, but the encoder is still forced to encode specific information with TXTDSC, a habit that HO&amp;#039;s would like to move away from.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Jens|jens]] 07:40, 6 January 2009 (CET)&lt;br /&gt;
Craig, I see your point, but I have got problems with having an additional attribute which is only a subset of another one. That might cause problems with others who want &amp;quot;their&amp;quot; information seen to be coded separately.  &lt;br /&gt;
The second problem is that the detailed quotation of the penalties can cause an cost/average thinking of the Mariners involved (ok, that is a theoretical approach but you know, with a minimum of criminal energy...;=)).    &lt;br /&gt;
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For the use of &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;[[TXTDSC]]&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; refer to the extensive discussion there. &lt;br /&gt;
The reference to a penalty information can easily be arranged  by using the correct file name as the Indication of TXTDSC says:&amp;quot;the string encodes the file name of an external text file that contains the text in English.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
Thus a construction is likely that split up legal text into different regulations e.g&lt;br /&gt;
The harbour authority of ABC port has 1..n regulations entries, each with a different topic. The ECDIS machine should be able to detect the headlines or subjects from the TXTDSC file name.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Jens: New page: ~~~~  we should consider whether it makes more sense to place such information at reglts. I am not convinced that penalties as a singe attribute is useful. Penalties are defined by law...</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;New page: ~~~~  we should consider whether it makes more sense to place such information at &lt;a href=&quot;/npubwiki/wiki/index.php/Reglts&quot; class=&quot;mw-redirect&quot; title=&quot;Reglts&quot;&gt;reglts&lt;/a&gt;. I am not convinced that penalties as a singe attribute is useful. Penalties are defined by law...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[User:Jens|jens]] 15:57, 21 December 2008 (CET)&lt;br /&gt;
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we should consider whether it makes more sense to place such information at [[reglts]]. I am not convinced that penalties as a singe attribute is useful. Penalties are defined by law and law defines regulations. &lt;br /&gt;
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Also trying to generalize to a common attribute which is working with penalties makes no sense; see arguments above.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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