Talk:DVLPMT - Revision history

Jens at 19:06, 25 March 2010

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Rmm at 16:51, 25 March 2010

2010-03-25T16:51:23Z

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[[User:Jens|jens]] 18:31, 25 October 2009 (UTC) propose to delete "the development that is planned or". That has no affect on the present. Mariners using the information are interested in the present or nearest future. Both are fixed by "in progress".

[[User:Rmm|raphael]] 06:05, 2 November 2009 (UTC): Advance notices of approved projects? U.S. Local Notices to Mariners (issues by the US Coast Guard) have a section for this.

[[User:Jens|jens]] 10:34, 2 November 2009 (UTC), That might be correct. I am not much familiar with the US NtM. However, the question is how much can this information help the mariner when planning, approaching or navigating within that particular area? If the work is in progress, no doubt, that have certain affect, but the information that a "project is planned (approved)"? No, I don't think so.

[[User:Rmm|raphael]] 14:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC): I will see if I can find anything (symbology, examples, ...) about depictions or mentions of planned construction.

[[User:Rmm|raphael]] 19:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC): Here is some information.

M4 B.329 is about "Works under construction and projected". 329.6 supports you: "work projected shall not be inserted on charts unless it is about to begin, in which case it shall be indicated as work under construction."

S-57 attribute CONDTN has a value 5 = planned construction. The S-57 "Use of Object Catalog" mentions projected works in 4.6.10, "Works in progress and projected". Clauses 11.5.1 (Submarine cables); 11.5.2 (Overhead cables) and 11.6.1 (Pipelines, submarine or on land) and 11.6.3 (overhead pipelines) mention CONDTN= 5 (planned construction).

It seems that the intent is that planned work is supposed to be shown on charts but only when it is about to begin. Whether publications should adopt the same rule is something the group may want to discuss. As for actual practice in ENCs, I do not recall seeing any planned construction depicted in ENCs.

[[User:DavidAcland|DavidAcland]] 16:28, 24 March 2010 (UTC):

Good Point. Accepting that there is often a big gap between what is planned and when work actually starts I agree that we do not want to describe all the planned activity years before it starts. Therefore UKHO does not amend products until work starts. However once it does start, it may go on for many years and done in phases. To that extent, although there is work in progress in some part of the project, in other parts it remains "planned" because it has not actually started everywhere. We want to avoid a running commentary with multiple ammendments. Would it help if we reversed the order to:

A description of work that is in progress or planned in the port.

[[User:Rmm|raphael]] 16:51, 25 March 2010 (UTC):
 I think the new definition of 24 March is fine.

M4 B-329 can be cited as a reference.

Should the Remark change to help with the issue Jens raised?
(Note "may" - this would let the HO decide.)

Remark
 Planned work should not be mentioned unless it is about to start. Future phases of a current or impending project may be included.

Rmm at 19:13, 2 November 2009

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Rmm at 14:57, 2 November 2009

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Jens at 10:34, 2 November 2009

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Rmm at 06:05, 2 November 2009

2009-11-02T06:05:23Z

Jens at 18:32, 25 October 2009

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Jens at 18:31, 25 October 2009

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Agreed by SNPWG8

[[User:Jens|jens]] 18:31, 25 October 2009 (UTC) propose to delete "is planned". That has no affect on the present. Mariners using the information are interested in the present or nearest future. Both are fixed by "in progress".

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	[[User:Jens\|jens]] 10:34, 2 November 2009 (UTC), That might be correct. I am not much familiar with the US NtM. However, the question is how much can this information help the mariner when planning, approaching or navigating within that particular area? If the work is in progress, no doubt, that have certain affect, but the information that a "project is planned (approved)"? No, I don't think so.		[[User:Jens\|jens]] 10:34, 2 November 2009 (UTC), That might be correct. I am not much familiar with the US NtM. However, the question is how much can this information help the mariner when planning, approaching or navigating within that particular area? If the work is in progress, no doubt, that have certain affect, but the information that a "project is planned (approved)"? No, I don't think so.
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		+	[[User:Rmm\|raphael]] 14:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC): I will see if I can find anything (symbology, examples, ...) about depictions or mentions of planned construction.

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	[[User:Rmm\|raphael]] 06:05, 2 November 2009 (UTC):<br>Advance notices of approved projects? U.S. Local Notices to Mariners (issues by the US Coast Guard) have a section for this.		[[User:Rmm\|raphael]] 06:05, 2 November 2009 (UTC):<br>Advance notices of approved projects? U.S. Local Notices to Mariners (issues by the US Coast Guard) have a section for this.
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		+	[[User:Jens\|jens]] 10:34, 2 November 2009 (UTC), That might be correct. I am not much familiar with the US NtM. However, the question is how much can this information help the mariner when planning, approaching or navigating within that particular area? If the work is in progress, no doubt, that have certain affect, but the information that a "project is planned (approved)"? No, I don't think so.

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	[[User:Jens\|jens]] 18:31, 25 October 2009 (UTC)<br>propose to delete "the development that is planned or". That has no affect on the present. Mariners using the information are interested in the present or nearest future. Both are fixed by "in progress".		[[User:Jens\|jens]] 18:31, 25 October 2009 (UTC)<br>propose to delete "the development that is planned or". That has no affect on the present. Mariners using the information are interested in the present or nearest future. Both are fixed by "in progress".
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		+	[[User:Rmm\|raphael]] 06:05, 2 November 2009 (UTC):<br>Advance notices of approved projects? U.S. Local Notices to Mariners (issues by the US Coast Guard) have a section for this.

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	[[User:Rmm\|raphael]] 14:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC): I will see if I can find anything (symbology, examples, ...) about depictions or mentions of planned construction.		[[User:Rmm\|raphael]] 14:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC): I will see if I can find anything (symbology, examples, ...) about depictions or mentions of planned construction.
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		+	[[User:Rmm\|raphael]] 19:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC): Here is some information.
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		+	M4 B.329 is about "Works under construction and projected". 329.6 supports you: "work projected shall not be inserted on charts unless it is about to begin, in which case it shall be indicated as work under construction."
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		+	S-57 attribute CONDTN has a value 5 = planned construction. The S-57 "Use of Object Catalog" mentions projected works in 4.6.10, "Works in progress and projected". Clauses 11.5.1 (Submarine cables); 11.5.2 (Overhead cables) and 11.6.1 (Pipelines, submarine or on land) and 11.6.3 (overhead pipelines) mention CONDTN= 5 (planned construction).
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		+	It seems that the intent is that planned work is supposed to be shown on charts but only when it is about to begin. Whether publications should adopt the same rule is something the group may want to discuss. As for actual practice in ENCs, I do not recall seeing any planned construction depicted in ENCs.