Talk:CATAUT - Revision history

Jens at 19:07, 23 July 2018

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Rmm at 21:56, 19 July 2018

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Rmm at 02:53, 23 May 2018

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Rmm at 03:33, 7 February 2017

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Rmm at 23:14, 6 February 2017

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[[User:DavidAcland|DavidAcland]] 11:14, 13 August 2008 (CEST)

I think we should add "...at international boundaries" at the end of 2.

Any thoughts?

[[User:Jens|jens]] 11:39, 13 August 2008 (CEST)

Why not? It is not wrong and specified what we like to say.
What is going on with enclaves like Hong Kong; although they are a part of China do they have different custom regs? I am not familiar enough with this area of the world. If my query gets a positive answer we should remain the entry unchanged. Otherwise I would follow David's proposal.

[[User:DavidAcland|DavidAcland]] 17:05, 13 August 2008 (CEST)

OK. I think we see it the same way ... but it is not the regulation so much as where the control happens. Without the clarification, it sounds a bit like the role of the police, i.e. all over the country. I will add the clarification and agree.

[[User:DavidAcland|DavidAcland]] 14:53, 25 February 2011 (UTC) I have been aware for some time of the similarity of ideas in [[CATAUT]] and [[CATRXN]]. Both are likely to be attributes of the Quartet. The names of these two attributes are as follows:

[[CATAUT]] Category of authority
 [[CATRXN]] Category of regulation / restriction / recommendation / nautical information

I have reordered CATAUT to group similar ideas together and added the identical or similar enumerations of CATRXN below each. CATAUT has a few values which do not have equivalents in CATRXN. CATRNX only has two values without something similar in CATAUT: "safety" and "communication".

CATAUT 14 : finance

CATAUT 1 : customs
 CATRXN 6 : customs

CATAUT 5 : immigration

CATAUT 2 : border control

CATAUT 6 : health
 CATRXN 9 : health

CATAUT 7 : coast guard
 CATRXN 8 : safety (In some countries. In others, coastguard also has security and enforcement roles)

CATAUT 15 : maritime
 CATRXN 1 : navigation

CATAUT 8 : agricultural
 CATAUT 13 : fishery
 CATRXN 10 : natural resources or exploitations

CATAUT 12 : environmental
 CATRXN 3 : environmental protection
 CATRXN 4 : wildlife protection

CATAUT 9 : military

CATAUT 3 : police

CATAUT 11 : maritime police
 CATRXN 5 : security

CATAUT 4 : port
 CATRXN 7 : cargo operation

CATAUT 10 : private company

CATRXN 2 : communication

However looking down the list of CATAUT, it does seem to me that most of those Authorities almost certainly have regulations which do have an impact on vessels. I think that the case to combine [[CATAUT]] and [[CATRXN]] is fairly strong. The new name would be something like "Category of authority / regulation / restriction / recommendation / nautical information". The question is: Can we make a sensible enough list that would satisfy the multiple uses?

[[User:Jens|jens]] 13:07, 28 February 2011 (UTC) Do you know the song text "...all we can do is sit and wait"? That's what I thought years ago when the need for [[CATRXN]] was formulated and my "no" was rejected. They can't live in two different categories which should be used together. Thanks for providing the evidence that I was right. It is to discuss whether [[CATREL]] and [[CATAUT]] can be used to model information sufficient. We can say that e.g. the CATAUT (agricultural) is providing information stored at [[REGLTS]] to say that something is [[CATREL]] (prohibited). Interesting will be the construction if something stored at [[RCMDTS]] is [[CATREL]] (recommended).

[[User:DavidAcland|DavidAcland]] 14:50, 28 February 2011 (UTC) OK; I will see what I can do.
 I can see a few of those: Anchorage [[CATREL]] (recommended) (until berth is available) or (until 2 hours before HW); or perhaps (Remain at waiting berth until lock is available). This makes me think we may need an [[ACTION]] like "Moor temporarily", "Tie up" or "Wait". However I feel sure we will also need to use [[TXTDSC]] for the detail.

[[User:Jens|jens]] 17:14, 28 February 2011 (UTC)That's for sure. The content/details will be stored in [[TXTDSC]]. I'm still the opinion that we need such top level features/attributes to e.g. make search possible, to be able to provide customized information and to not spoil the mariner with useless text. That is the only purpose of the quartet and everything in their society.

[[User:Rmm|raphael]] 18:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC): To me this discussion looks like a reason for reviving some variation of the original categories ([[CATRXN Original]]).

[[User:Rmm|raphael]] 05:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC): Can a perfect substitution of CATAUT for CATRXN be made? Perhaps not, for example "Coast Guard" has different functions and different powers in different countries. Encoders should not be asked to decide which values the new CATAUT should have by thinking about the precise powers and roles of the authority in their countries.

Second, CATRXN was intended as a means of allowing classification of Quartet objects according to some scheme which would be useful to software and portrayal. The Taxonomy which we have under development would be a good scheme, after it is distilled into a manageable hierachy with a reasonable number of upper levels, these might be different from the categorizations of authorities.

[[User:DavidAcland|DavidAcland]] 15:40, 1 March 2011 (UTC) I compared the [[CATAUT]] and [[CATRXN Original]] but there was much less commonality. It seems that the gap is too big to bridge. I think we agree that we need a list of top level subjects. I had not seen the connection to Taxonomy but agree that that might be fruitful. Let's wait and see how that progresses and leave [[CATAUT]] and [[CATRXN]] separate for the moment.

[[User:Rmm|raphael]] ([[User talk:Rmm|talk]]) 00:14, 7 February 2017 (CET): Registry definition: The type of person, government agency or organisation, corporation, or private or publicly owned company entrusted or invested with powers of managing or controlling access or activity in an area.

Rmm at 05:51, 1 March 2011

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Rmm at 18:13, 28 February 2011

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Jens at 17:14, 28 February 2011

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Jens at 13:07, 28 February 2011

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Jens at 09:39, 13 August 2008

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	(Posted for information and to obtain feedback - at present there are no plans to modify CATAUT.)		(Posted for information and to obtain feedback - at present there are no plans to modify CATAUT.)
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		+	[[User:Jens\|jens]] ([[User talk:Jens\|talk]]) 21:07, 23 July 2018 (CEST)
		+	I'm against the code list option. That opens a field for endless lists which reflects national interests.
		+	The “other governmental authority” idea is not an option as the current list reflects all facets of authorities. We should try to keep the list as it is at the moment.

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	[[User:Rmm\|raphael]] ([[User talk:Rmm\|talk]]) 04:53, 23 May 2018 (CEST): Feedback from NIPWG in March 2017(!) resulted in: "The type of person, government agency or organisation granted powers of managing or controlling access '''to''' and/or activity in an area." This is the definition used in the feature catalogues. The [[CATAUT]] page and the IHO GI registry should be amended accordingly.		[[User:Rmm\|raphael]] ([[User talk:Rmm\|talk]]) 04:53, 23 May 2018 (CEST): Feedback from NIPWG in March 2017(!) resulted in: "The type of person, government agency or organisation granted powers of managing or controlling access '''to''' and/or activity in an area." This is the definition used in the feature catalogues. The [[CATAUT]] page and the IHO GI registry should be amended accordingly.
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		+	[[User:Rmm\|raphael]] ([[User talk:Rmm\|talk]]) 23:56, 19 July 2018 (CEST): An S-127 comment suggests adding new listed values: 'land administration' and 'energy'.
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		+	*If these types of authorities are (i) not covered by the existing listed values, and (ii) commonly produce information or regulations relevant to maritime information in multiple countries, then we can either add them or find common terms applicable to multiple countries.
		+	*An alternative is to make CATAUT a codelist. I hesitate to recommend that given the possible variations in government organizational structure and responsibilities ending up with information that end-users find obscure (especially if they are from other countries).
		+	*Another alternative is to add a catchall “other governmental authority” value to the enumeration.
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		+	(Posted for information and to obtain feedback - at present there are no plans to modify CATAUT.)

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		+	[[User:Rmm\|raphael]] ([[User talk:Rmm\|talk]]) 04:53, 23 May 2018 (CEST): Feedback from NIPWG in March 2017(!) resulted in: "The type of person, government agency or organisation granted powers of managing or controlling access '''to''' and/or activity in an area." This is the definition used in the feature catalogues. The [[CATAUT]] page and the IHO GI registry should be amended accordingly.

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	[[User:Rmm\|raphael]] ([[User talk:Rmm\|talk]]) 00:14, 7 February 2017 (CET): Registry definition: The type of person, government agency or organisation, corporation, or private or publicly owned company entrusted or invested with powers of managing or controlling access or activity in an area.		[[User:Rmm\|raphael]] ([[User talk:Rmm\|talk]]) 00:14, 7 February 2017 (CET): Registry definition: The type of person, government agency or organisation, corporation, or private or publicly owned company entrusted or invested with powers of managing or controlling access or activity in an area.
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		+	Can we shorten this?: "The type of person, government agency or organisation granted powers of managing or controlling access and/or activity in an area."

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	[[User:Jens\|jens]] 17:14, 28 February 2011 (UTC)That's for sure. The content/details will be stored in [[TXTDSC]]. I'm still the opinion that we need such top level features/attributes to e.g. make search possible, to be able to provide customized information and to not spoil the mariner with useless text. That is the only purpose of the quartet and everything in their society.		[[User:Jens\|jens]] 17:14, 28 February 2011 (UTC)That's for sure. The content/details will be stored in [[TXTDSC]]. I'm still the opinion that we need such top level features/attributes to e.g. make search possible, to be able to provide customized information and to not spoil the mariner with useless text. That is the only purpose of the quartet and everything in their society.
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		+	[[User:Rmm\|raphael]] 18:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC): To me this discussion looks like a reason for reviving some variation of the original categories ([[CATRXN Original]]).

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	[[User:Rmm\|raphael]] 18:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC): To me this discussion looks like a reason for reviving some variation of the original categories ([[CATRXN Original]]).		[[User:Rmm\|raphael]] 18:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC): To me this discussion looks like a reason for reviving some variation of the original categories ([[CATRXN Original]]).
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		+	[[User:Rmm\|raphael]] 05:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC): Can a perfect substitution of CATAUT for CATRXN be made? Perhaps not, for example "Coast Guard" has different functions and different powers in different countries. Encoders should not be asked to decide which values the new CATAUT should have by thinking about the precise powers and roles of the authority in their countries.
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		+	Second, CATRXN was intended as a means of allowing classification of Quartet objects according to some scheme which would be useful to software and portrayal. The Taxonomy which we have under development would be a good scheme, after it is distilled into a manageable hierachy with a reasonable number of upper levels, these might be different from the categorizations of authorities.